Showing posts with label multiple marriage. Show all posts
Showing posts with label multiple marriage. Show all posts

Sunday, February 24, 2019

The strangers who have babies together

A fascinating look by the BBC at "platonic parenting".

In 2014, Charly Bourne, a then 43-year-old nurse living with his husband in Philadelphia in the US, started to think seriously about having kids. At first, he considered adoption. But after hearing about ‘platonic parenting’ from a colleague, he decided to set up a profile on Modamily, a website that helps connect people who want to start a family. As traditional notions of family get redefined, people like Charly are choosing to raise children as platonic partners.

See the video here.

Over the last few decades, the constraining straitjackets of gender identity have been progressively loosened.  First came the pill, then came easier divorce, then gay rights, then gay marriage.  Step-by-step the old identities and relationships, which seemed immutable, have shifted and changed.

In my writings, I have bisexual men who love both their women and their men, and at some point, I'm going to have to think how they will parent children, and how it will all work.  But all I know is that things will be different.  Just how, I don't know.  I have talked about this broad topic before, here and here.  And in ElvenSword, DemonThrong and AngelFire, I specifically created a society where these relationships are more complicated and subtler than the heterosexual marriage that the ChrisTaliban insist is the only way.


Wednesday, December 8, 2010

Letter from Thomas

I got this letter from a reader, and (with his permission) I'd like to share it with you:

I just wanted to write to let you know that I have found your blog to be very insightful. And, indeed, helpful.

I am a happily married bi guy as well, though I have in the last year or so struggled to work out exactly what I am. I was so impressed to read your postings about distaste of labels. It brought it home for me that I was really just struggling to define "what" I am, and that in fact it is pretty much irrelevant. I love my wife. I like guys. And that is that.

It also gave me some comfort to know that there are other bi married guys out there who have a lasting and strong relationship with their wife and their kids, and still can appreciate what is good and beautiful in life - be it male or female.  Though I am out to my wife, I am not yet to the broader community.

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know. There is some fine perceptive writing on your blog and I greatly appreciate your point of view.
Thomas

Firstly, thanks for writing.  I'm never sure whether my own eccentric view of the world resonates out there.  I know that I am odd, very odd.  So to hear from someone who likes my writing, or my rants, or just my style, is great.

Second, I think there are so many guys like you, Thomas.  Maybe as many as one in five guys is bisexual and remain so most of their lives.  It's hard, because the Cartesian dualism in our culture inclines all of us to the view that you're either one, or the other.  But it's more complicated and more subtle than that.  For humans, sex was never just about reproduction.  It was always about bonding, too, because when our ancestors moved around the Serengeti plains, they needed social glue to bind the tribe together.  I suspect we formed extended and overlapping "families" of males and females who had sex with each other, as I discuss in Our Cheatin' Hearts.  

One of the reasons I write my fiction and this blog is that I think it vital that we fight for the right to be gay or bisexual: 

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
   If this be error and upon me proved,
   I never writ, nor no man ever loved.
Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediments.  That's clear enough, isn't it?  Shakespeare was bisexual, without much doubt.  He loved women: look at the characters he created, full of life and vigor, sexy, feisty, thrilling.  And he loved at least one man:

A woman's face with nature's own hand painted,
Hast thou, the master mistress of my passion;
A woman's gentle heart, but not acquainted
With shifting change, as is false women's fashion:
An eye more bright than theirs, less false in rolling,
Gilding the object whereupon it gazeth;
A man in hue all hues in his controlling,
Which steals men's eyes and women's souls amazeth.
And for a woman wert thou first created;
Till Nature, as she wrought thee, fell a-doting,
And by addition me of thee defeated,
By adding one thing to my purpose nothing.
     But since she prick'd thee out for women's pleasure,
     Mine be thy love and thy love's use their treasure.
 As usual, I digress.

Thanks for writing, and remember, in the end, it's love which matters: omnia vincit amor.  Love conquers all.  And if you and your wife love each other, you will make it work.  The world is full of sorrow and grief and loss and loneliness.  To reject someone for such a paltry reason as their sexual inclination is plain stupid.  My lady loves me for me, for what I am, and a key part of that is my gayness.  I'm sure your lady loves you too, and when you truly love someone, you know that they come as a package, good and bad combined.

Go well.


Sunday, October 17, 2010

Our Cheatin' Hearts

I have often suspected that the push for fidelity originally started in patriarchal cultures to ensure that the children of a marriage were in fact the husbands'.  A matriarchal society wouldn't bother:  a woman knows that a baby is hers.  Later on, as relationships between the genders shifted and marriage came to be seen as a romantic institution rather than one about property, the need for fidelity was extended to men as well.  Yet, throughout history, people have said "it's different for men", when fidelity is discussed.  A man straying from the marriage bed has been tut-tutted but a woman has been reviled.  When in previous centuries the super-religious have made adulterers wear a scarlet A it usually been the woman who has had to do it.  Men have escaped more or less scot-free.

Polygamy has been culturally widespread, polyandry not -- not that women I've spoken to have been against it, in theory anyway.   Look at Laurell K Hamilton and her mostly female readership.  Even genes have been brought into the discussion: it is in the interest of men (so the geneticists say) to have lots of offspring, that  illegitimate children are assurances that your genes will survive if your legitimate children don't.  That's an option not open to women, so (the theory goes) men have a genetic drive to spread their seed widely, while women have a drive to find a strong mate and keep him.  Think of the very words illegitimate and legitimate, and what they imply about society's view of children born outside what is ultimately a legal framework.  I know a woman my age who has been with her guy for 45 years.  They still haven't married, yet apart from the legal imprimatur, they are clearly and indisputably a couple.  And they adore each other.


Before I receive snarling emails, let me say (a) that I am myself faithful to my lady, not because I think it per se a great moral issue but because it would hurt her deeply if I were not, which is a great moral issue (to me); (b) that if you love each other and wish to remain faithful to each other, I have no wish at all to denigrate such love, but that doesn't mean everybody else ought to behave like that too; and (c) if you have an explicit triad relationship, where for example your wife allows you to have a relationship with a man, this isn't "infidelity" in my definition of the concept (though the thin-lipped might think differently.)  The key wrong is perhaps not the infidelity itself but the deceit.  Deceit has the capacity to destroy relationships.  If you do not trust each other, if you routinely lie to each other.....

When you approve or not, infidelity seems to be widespread, according to this interesting (but perhaps a little shallow) article.  This is a quote from it:

The hypocrisy pot has been stirred anew by research suggesting life-long monogamy is not the status quo for human beings. In Sex at Dawn: The Prehistoric Origins of Modern Sexuality, psychologist Christopher Ryan and psychiatrist Cacilda Jetha (who are married to each other) argue we aren't as far removed from those randy apes as we like to think. For 2 million years, casual sexuality was the norm for our ancestors, who also shared food, shelter and protection. The advent of agriculture 10,000 years ago meant sexuality became associated with property, turning our natural sexual inclinations on their head.
According to Ryan and Jetha, "deep conflicts rage at the heart of modern sexuality". Using evidence from archaeology, anthropology and biology, they argue that sex has been thoroughly mixed up with concepts of love and marriage, resulting in sky-high divorce rates, passionless unions and an overreliance on porn, relationship counselling and Viagra to prop up the whole thing. Ryan notes that since the book was released in July, he has received 15 to 20 emails a day from relieved individuals who always thought there was "something wrong" with them because their eyes (or hands) wandered elsewhere.
 And this is the blurb from the back of the book mentioned above:


Since Darwin's day, we've been told that sexual monogamy comes naturally to our species. Mainstream science--as well as religious and cultural institutions--has maintained that men and women evolved in families in which a man's possessions and protection were exchanged for a woman's fertility and fidelity. But this narrative is collapsing. Fewer and fewer couples are getting married, and divorce rates keep climbing as adultery and flagging libido drag down even seemingly solid marriages.

How can reality be reconciled with the accepted narrative? It can't be, according to renegade thinkers Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jethá. While debunking almost everything we "know" about sex, they offer a bold alternative explanation in this provocative and brilliant book.

Ryan and Jethá's central contention is that human beings evolved in egalitarian groups that shared food, child care, and, often, sexual partners. Weaving together convergent, frequently overlooked evidence from anthropology, archaeology, primatology, anatomy, and psychosexuality, the authors show how far from human nature monogamy really is. Human beings everywhere and in every era have confronted the same familiar, intimate situations in surprisingly different ways. The authors expose the ancient roots of human sexuality while pointing toward a more optimistic future illuminated by our innate capacities for love, cooperation, and generosity.
With intelligence, humor, and wonder, Ryan and Jethá show how our promiscuous past haunts our struggles over monogamy, sexual orientation, and family dynamics. They explore why long-term fidelity can be so difficult for so many; why sexual passion tends to fade even as love deepens; why many middle-aged men risk everything for transient affairs with younger women; why homosexuality persists in the face of standard evolutionary logic; and what the human body reveals about the prehistoric origins of modern sexuality.  
In the tradition of the best historical and scientific writing, Sex at Dawn unapologetically upends unwarranted assumptions and unfounded conclusions while offering a revolutionary understanding of why we live and love as we do.


Most interesting.  Note particularly this little phrase:  why homosexuality persists in the face of standard evolutionary logic.   Indeed.  As I have said before, here and here, I think it's to do with binding small groups of men together.

So much of what we take for granted is merely the accretion of time over the irritant grain of sand planted by some religious bigot.  Sex is powerful stuff, and I recommend that you be careful with it (don't do this at home without supervision, kids!) but it's also magical.  Sexual jealousy can break your heart, and your marriage.  Yet those are issues which have to be settled between the couple, and are nobody else's business.

I suspect that over the next century, even though man-woman marriage will remain the norm, there will be far more marriages of two men and one woman or two women and one man, not to mention two men or two women (hurray!) and that the whole concept of family will shift again, as it already has done several times over the millennia since Homer.


And note also that I am NOT saying that love or compassion or caring have changed.  They haven't.  What has shifted is the legally and socially accepted definitions of both marriage and family.  And I think they'll shift again during the lifetimes of my children and grandchildren.  The injunction,  love one another as I have loved you, remains.  Just the framework is shifting.

Thursday, August 19, 2010

Melissa Scott

Melissa Scott writes "alternative sexuality" SF/fantasy. I did a long piece on her Silence trilogy (as well as on 3 other novels by other authors) for my column 'Quickies' in Wilde Oats. Quickies is supposed to be short reviews of gay-shaded novels and films, but sometimes I find they get a bit longer! Anyway, the whole 'Quickies' column is here.


I've included the cover pics for these three novels. Aren't they gloriously old-fashioned? I think I rather prefer them to the modern SF covers.

Aside from being great yarns (like all SF and fantasy should be) they're interesting because Silence has a multiple marriage, to the two men pictured on the cover of Five-Twelfths of Heaven. MS doesn't go into details about how they sleep together, but before the guys met her, it was just the two of them. Fascinating. How would it work out?

I have my own speculations, based on the relationships of some ppl I know, which I discuss in Footy, and which I take for granted in the Tapestry of Life series.

And this series was published over 30 years ago, by a mainstream SF publisher, Baen!